One thing I have found helpful is discussion cards. I make mine by printing out a quote or picture and pasteing to cardboard. I leave a couple of these on the table as a reminder to have conversation and also to help me have something relevant to raise when I am tired and can only think of bed. Sometimes these flop, but it is good to try. Sometimes I ask the children what wisdom/teachings they learnt in the day and they share. They like being the teacher, but a lot of their teachings are about farts and how they love them in the spirit world. Still trying to work out the story medicine there.
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